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Brexit an experts view
by George » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:07 pm
Gerald celente has been forecasting trends since 1980 and getting them right,mainstream media don't like him because he tells the truth have a look at his predictions and facts about brexit and the eu.
http://youtu.be/la2WAin2a38
http://youtu.be/la2WAin2a38
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Re: Brexit an experts view
by marcliff » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:18 pm
It's over George. The vote has been and done. Time to just get behind everyone to make sure the best deal for those in UK and those of us living in the EU is made. I don't agree with the result but it is finished. Dragging it out will only make things worse.
Now we need to get on with it and realise things are going to change. Let's hope we have someone who can speak up for us during the next couple of years.
Now we need to get on with it and realise things are going to change. Let's hope we have someone who can speak up for us during the next couple of years.
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Re: Brexit an experts view
by maisiesdad » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:00 am
marcliff wrote:It's over George. The vote has been and done. Time to just get behind everyone to make sure the best deal for those in UK and those of us living in the EU is made. I don't agree with the result but it is finished. Dragging it out will only make things worse.
Now we need to get on with it and realise things are going to change. Let's hope we have someone who can speak up for us during the next couple of years.
I agree but being an eternal optimist I have a hope probably misplaced that we will pull ourselves out of the mess.
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Re: Brexit an experts view
by mondo » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:07 am
Just read this article from the Independent quoting the Guardian..... who knows..?... is Cameron canny enough..?.. it was written not long after the vote...
Quote..
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legislation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-manoeuvred and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
I have no idea what is happening, but this story, in one form or another is going to run and run...
Right, big parade tomorrow... looking forward to it as usual..
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/articl ... paign=i100
Quote..
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legislation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-manoeuvred and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
I have no idea what is happening, but this story, in one form or another is going to run and run...
Right, big parade tomorrow... looking forward to it as usual..
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/articl ... paign=i100
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Re: Brexit an experts view
by George » Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:50 am
There are plenty of positives out there for leaving but as usual the mass media are concentrating on fear again you have to remember that the media has a lot of rich backers who are going to loose money by leaving Europe.
Funny I bet the bbc dosnt give these story's much time
http://moneyweek.com/
Funny I bet the bbc dosnt give these story's much time
http://moneyweek.com/
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Re: Brexit an experts view
by donaduo » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:10 am
All of those issues were aired before the consultative ballot but were and, I have to say expertly dismissed* by Brexit as project fear.
Can you imagine the amount of red tape that need be unfurled off the bobbin, just to untangle the current red tape that Brexit demanded. And all for what, a slightly different shade of red?
* expert gameplay not, expert knowledge
Can you imagine the amount of red tape that need be unfurled off the bobbin, just to untangle the current red tape that Brexit demanded. And all for what, a slightly different shade of red?
* expert gameplay not, expert knowledge
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Re: Brexit an experts view
by donaduo » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:14 am
Let's hope that our politicians have cooler and calmer heads than a lot of the public and will just allow the referendum to die off. Then we can carry on and influence other members of the EU club that some changes are necessary.
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Re: Brexit an experts view
by mondo » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:48 am
George wrote:Gerald celente has been forecasting trends since 1980 and getting them right,mainstream media don't like him because he tells the truth have a look at his predictions and facts about brexit and the eu.
http://youtu.be/la2WAin2a38
I think I lost it when they said it was in conjunction with David Ike..
Remember David Icke..? .He argued ... that human beings originated in a breeding program run by a race of reptilians called Anunnaki from the Draco constellation, and that what we call reality is just a holographic experience;
hmmmmm
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Re: Brexit an experts view
by valenciasman » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:18 pm
I dont see how he can be an "EXPERT" on something that has never happened before. More like a fortune teller. Does he do lottery numbers?
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