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Re: We may never come out of the EU

Postby marcliff » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:11 pm

Whiskybob wrote:what i find hard to get my head around is that this is being argued on a spanish website, now if you don't live in blighty what concern is it of someone who turned their back on england but still want certain benefits like a high pension when it is those in england who made the decision to leave and got what the MAJORITY of people wanted and will deal with as and when it happens.so in my opinion if you live in spain you have no part to play especially if you didn't even bother to vote which i am guessing was alot.



Because there are many on here (probably the majority) who have holiday homes in Spain with their main homes in UK. Also decisions made by UK will affect the vast majority who have moved to Spain in terms of the exchange rate, healthcare, freedom of movement, inheritance tax and many other things. There were also very many (who were allowed to) who did register to vote despite living in Spain.
However, much as I disagree with it, the UK has voted to leave the EU. It will happen and the main politicians are adamant on that. It is now time to accept it and make the very best deal for both UK and the millions of UK citizens living in other EU countries.
I think it is very valid for this subject to be mentioned on here but calling for another referendum is a bit silly. It'll simply enforce the view that the government will keep asking the question until they get the answer it wants.
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Re: We may never come out of the EU

Postby Tootandploot » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:18 pm

There are rather more I would think who haven't turned their backs on Blighty but have investments in Spain or at least had preparations in hand and hopes and dreams and wishes to retire to Europe if not Spain and for whom free movement is a concern and who is arguing!? Having an opinion or debate isn't an argument. of course Spain has a part to play it is part of Europe the whole of which is affected!! As for votes, it's academic really considering the majority of those who did vote did so erroneously.
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Re: We may never come out of the EU

Postby paulwps » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:31 pm

I see some of your point bob,
but I dont think it is an argument , just a discussion.
let's hope it doesn't escalate in to an argument,
And stay respectful.

I also believe if there was another vote , the outcome would be different .
OMHO.
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Re: We may never come out of the EU

Postby florimondo » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:20 am

Whiskybob wrote:what i find hard to get my head around is that this is being argued on a spanish website, now if you don't live in blighty what concern is it of someone who turned their back on england but still want certain benefits like a high pension when it is those in england who made the decision to leave and got what the MAJORITY of people wanted and will deal with as and when it happens.so in my opinion if you live in spain you have no part to play especially if you didn't even bother to vote which i am guessing was alot.

Agree 100% things in Britain are just fine
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Re: We may never come out of the EU

Postby bigwolls » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:18 am

It matters not what the politicians,economists, summarisers, journalists and anyone else says - the British people have spoken and indicated quite forcefully by a majority (the size is immaterial - in a democracy the biggest number wins) that they want to be out of Europe. Parliament stands to fall (pun ?) if they ignore the specific demand of the voter - leave the EU means leave the EU.....it does not mean that MP's have the right to ignore, debate, reverse or amend that decision in any form whatsoever - if they do that, then the UK will be closer than ever to a civil war as parliament is bound by the leave vote regardless of what they think individually. If they try to change it, then democracy will fall and this country will suffer for millennia. Yes there may be hardship for a while - there was after the second world war but it was worth it in the end - so will it be with this.
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Re: We may never come out of the EU

Postby Whiskybob » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:47 am

well said bigwolls, people seem to forget that we weren't always in the eu, we managed perfectly well out before and we will manage out again
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Re: We may never come out of the EU

Postby florimondo » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:27 pm

bigwolls wrote:It matters not what the politicians,economists, summarisers, journalists and anyone else says - the British people have spoken and indicated quite forcefully by a majority (the size is immaterial - in a democracy the biggest number wins) that they want to be out of Europe. Parliament stands to fall (pun ?) if they ignore the specific demand of the voter - leave the EU means leave the EU.....it does not mean that MP's have the right to ignore, debate, reverse or amend that decision in any form whatsoever - if they do that, then the UK will be closer than ever to a civil war as parliament is bound by the leave vote regardless of what they think individually. If they try to change it, then democracy will fall and this country will suffer for millennia. Yes there may be hardship for a while - there was after the second world war but it was worth it in the end - so will it be with this.


Once again I totally agree 100%
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Re: We may never come out of the EU

Postby florimondo » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:32 pm

Paul - TV Techie wrote:
With so many properties For sale here in Spain, a glut of ex British property might well depress the Spanish market.


Whilst it will affect some purchasers to a degree - recently I lost in excess of €20,000 in a property purchase due to sterling / brexit (bad timing) - relatively speaking property is still cheap in Spain, certainly compared with the rest of the UK.

There are also quite a lot of Scandinavians, French & Germans purchasing as well.

Options - If I have 100k sterling to invest. Initially I was going to spend this on rental type property in the UK, but struggled to find anything that was not pretty poor at that money, which further investment would be required. All for a possible 5% return per annum, without factoring in repairs / maintenance.

For 135k euros, a 3 bedroom apartment 20 metres from the beach in Guardamar, frontline. Rent for at least 600pw in summer and likely to go up do due good location, clear & close sea view. For me this is money better spent, than it would have been in the UK - just my opinion! A little work and a possible flip for 200k maybe (modernise kitchen / bathroom etc) - based on others similar. So always possibilities whether it be for investment / part investment - in both countries.

Of course this does not mean all property in Spain is a good investment - there are too many of the overbuilt urb type properties, which is where the main issues are. Look at resales in nice areas / villas etc and there is opportunity for money to be as well spent / invested in Spain.

Aside from the currency costs - things are going up in the UK, exports may prove beneficial, but everything imported is going up - including food, because of the brexit / currency.

I'm not sure i'd want to go back to the UK, as seems to have got worse since I left 13 years ago, more traffic, crime and 50% odd more racial attacks since the brexit. Not good. I go back every 3 months or so & usually glad to get back to Spain - money is one thing, but quality of life is hard to put a price on.



Paul reading your posts it would appear that every thing you do looses money
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Re: We may never come out of the EU

Postby paul265 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:22 pm

I don't think we actually saw this coming, the fall in the pound so severely, however, it has been a massive shock absorber to the UK economy, plus Bank of England intervention & if we had been in the euro it would have been disastrous for the economy and young people needing jobs, albeit my son works in Switzerland and his wage keeps climbing when transferred back into pounds. However, you have to think about young people who are the future of the UK.
So that is one silver lining, even if it means us sucking this rate up for x no. of years on our UK pensions. At least inflation won't be hitting the Spanish shops any time soon once we transfer over into euros.

If I didn't know better you could think Farage did this to increase his wage of 100,000 euros per year for being an MEP. Oh and before anyone jumps in he will get a huge payout in euros for yes I laugh loss of job at the end of the UK exit from the EU and presumably his EU pension too will be in euros. What a martyr to the cause. Talk about having your cake and eating it!!
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Re: We may never come out of the EU

Postby Pete31 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:07 am

marcliff wrote:
Whiskybob wrote:what i find hard to get my head around is that this is being argued on a spanish website, now if you don't live in blighty what concern is it of someone who turned their back on england but still want certain benefits like a high pension when it is those in england who made the decision to leave and got what the MAJORITY of people wanted and will deal with as and when it happens.so in my opinion if you live in spain you have no part to play especially if you didn't even bother to vote which i am guessing was alot.



Because there are many on here (probably the majority) who have holiday homes in Spain with their main homes in UK. Also decisions made by UK will affect the vast majority who have moved to Spain in terms of the exchange rate, healthcare, freedom of movement, inheritance tax and many other things. There were also very many (who were allowed to) who did register to vote despite living in Spain.
However, much as I disagree with it, the UK has voted to leave the EU. It will happen and the main politicians are adamant on that. It is now time to accept it and make the very best deal for both UK and the millions of UK citizens living in other EU countries.
I think it is very valid for this subject to be mentioned on here but calling for another referendum is a bit silly. It'll simply enforce the view that the government will keep asking the question until they get the answer it wants.


Good point Marcliff I tend to agree with you but sad to have all this uncertainty.
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