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Tax on Diesel cars

Tax on Diesel cars

Postby Dawn1962 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:43 pm

Hi, Has anybody heard of a 600€ yearly tax to be put on diesel cars from 2019? We were looking at cars at a garage in La Zenia yesterday and the guy asked if I was looking for manual or diesel, I said I didn´t know and that´s when he said "think about it if you are going to buy a diesel" and explained about the yearly tax.

Surely this cannot be the case, I understand taxes to enter city centres and I know that Madrid is trying to ban diesel cars from the centre but I cannot find any truth regarding these taxes.

Thanks in advance for any update.

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Re: Tax on Diesel cars

Postby marcliff » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:00 pm

Not heard anything about that. You are right in that congestion charges for diesel vehicles will be brought in for Madrid by 2025.
However, road tax is, at the moment, based on CO2 emissions and diesel cars are lower (it's why they conned us into buying them) so it would have to be the new NO2 emission that they have "recently discovered" to get more money out of the motorist.
Not sure if the guy at La Zenia has any inside information that none of the newspapers or motoring sites have but they are considering increasing the tax on diesel fuel which is currently less than on petrol.
And bear in mind that it is the municipality that puts the road tax on so what is charged in Torrevieja is more than, say, Rojales charges.
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Re: Tax on Diesel cars

Postby Dawn1962 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:28 pm

Thanks for the info marcliff :text-thankyouyellow:
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Re: Tax on Diesel cars

Postby PeterTowse » Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:21 am

Yes I have heard this in the UK. not sure if it was just the UK or a European directive, but there is definitely talk about penalising all diesel cars in the UK in the future. Like you I am looking to buy a car in Spain and I am mindfull of this.
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Re: Tax on Diesel cars

Postby SALUKI » Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:25 am

This is Spain NOT Belgium......LOL
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Re: Tax on Diesel cars

Postby donaduo » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:35 am

SALUKI wrote:This is Spain NOT Belgium......LOL



Sorry, don't understand the Belgium comment, could you expand?
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Re: Tax on Diesel cars

Postby garysl » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:50 am

I bought my car from a place in La Zenia. They had two cars of the exact same model. One was a diesel with an extended warranty and the other was petrol with higher mileage and a shorter warranty. Both the same price.
I was told that I should go for the petrol as well, although for different reasons. I wonder if diesel cars are generally easier to sell? I bought the diesel by the way.
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Re: Tax on Diesel cars

Postby Paul - TV Techie » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:26 pm

I've sold a couple of my 2nd hand hatchback diesels, with relative ease.

I think also need to consider different things if buying new or 2nd hand. I currently have a diesel as a daily driver. Mazda 3 2.2 turbodiesel. One of the reasons I purchased this model / engine was it had the latest Euro 6 emissions spec engine, which at the time was more up to date / cleaner than both Audi / BMW equivalent (and a lot cheaper).

The thing is a turbo diesel has good mid range performance and economy - and a (example) 1.2 non turbo petrol engine does not, not much torque. So if you want acceleration / midrange torque, in a smaller can a turbo diesel engine will provide more grunt to overtake / accelerate with. To get the equivalent in a petrol, needs a bigger engine / turbo.

Other considerations - costs. My 2.2 turbo diesel, cost more than the 1.5 petrol in the range. Up to 100 kmh both similar, performance wise, though the diesel does have the edge - but between the gears, overall acceleration - torque / top speed, is greater. In 3rd or 4th gear, the differences in the mid range between the petrol and diesel, may as well be different cars entirely - torque diesel

Aslo how long are you going to keep a car? If a diesel engine cost a couple of thousand more, but has more economy, over the period of time are you going to save that amount of fuel? If not, then no need for a diesel.

Of course all of the above does not factor any future restrictions placed on diesels - though suspect issues are more so (has been mentioned in UK), with the older smokey diesels, which are chucking out a load of soot / particulates. Euro 6 diesel engines, car runs clean, no soot, have a diesel particulate filter, which is common to newer diesels.

As for my next car ? I have realised than my mileage is not that high for personal use, so I could probably save a couple of thousand and get a petrol car.
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Re: Tax on Diesel cars

Postby PeteKnight » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:12 pm

According to this article, the EU has recently (earlier this month) given 5 countries, including the U.K. And Spain, 2 months to take action to comply with a 2008 air pollution directive or face prosecution...
http://www.argusmedia.com/news/article/?id=1405993


The emphasis is on targeting diesel vehicles.
I'd guess that an increased Suma charge for diesel vehicles would be the easiest way of demonstrating that Spain is committed to doing something about diesel pollution, possibly with increased duty on diesel fuel sales.

Having said that, I can't find any reference to the €600 yearly tax mentioned by the OP.

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Re: Tax on Diesel cars

Postby Andrew Hardy » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:51 am

These are the changes taking place in the UK.
Disgraceful-another example of Rip off Britain!!


The main changes in VED to note are:
* The First Year Rates (FYRs) of VED will vary according to the CO2 emissions of the vehicle; this is on a sliding scale from £0 for zero emission cars up to £2,000 for vehicles with emissions over 255g/km of CO2
* A subsequent flat standard rate of £140 per year will apply to all cars (except for zero emission cars for which the standard rate will be £0)
* Cars with a list price of over £40,000 will pay an additional premium supplement of £310 per year on the standard rate for the first 5 years in which a standard rate is paid
* Cars first registered before 1 April 2017 will continue to pay under the current VED system, which will not change

Vehicles registered
before 1st April 2017 Vehicles registered on 1st April 2017
List Price* £39,999 £39,999
Co2 Emissions (g/km) 115 115
First Year Rate £0 £160
Second Year Rate £30 £140              
Third Year Rate £30 £140              
Total VED cost after 3 years £60 £440

Vehicles registered from Vehicles registered
before 1st April 2017 Vehicles registered on 1st April 2017
List Price* £40,001 £40,001
Co2 Emissions (g/km) 115 115
First Year Rate £0 £160
Second Year Rate £30 £450
Third Year Rate £30 £450
Total VED cost after 3 years £60 £1,060

*List price is the full price of the car, including any options and doesn’t take into account any discount you may receive.

In these examples, you would pay an additional £1,000 over three years for identical cars over £40,000, and for the car below the £40,000 threshold, you would pay an additional £380 over three years.
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