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WAR! Cars VS Bicycles

WAR! Cars VS Bicycles

Postby Stephen47 » Tue May 16, 2017 12:12 pm

Of course there is no war between the two road users although sometimes it seems that way. But after five years of observation as both a motorist and cyclist on Spanish roads I thought I would put down a few thoughts about driving and cycling in Spain.

Motorists:

  • According to the Spanish highway code, a motorist is held responsible for any (yes any) accident between a vehicle and a bicycle. It is the drivers responsibility to then prove otherwise.
  • Passing a cyclist/s should be done at low speed (the draft can cause a cycle to veer of course and cause an accident)
  • 1,5 meters is the MINIMUM space a vehicle must allow when passing a cyclist.
  • It is allowed to cross the solid white line when overtaking a cyclist
  • Any vehicle must wait to pass a cyclist/s if there are oncoming vehicles.


Cyclists:

  • Cyclist will ride as near to the side of the road as is safe.
  • It is advised and safer for cyclists to ride two abreast in order that passing vehicles can do so quickly and effectively.
  • A good cyclist will not stop in front of a vehicle at traffic lights.
  • A good cyclist gives clear hand signals.
  • A good cyclist obeys all the road signs.

Over the past few years I have observed motorists on the Spanish roads and I am ashamed and sorry to say that British registered vehicles are the worst of all drivers. So please lets ALL be safe on the lovely Spanish roads and work together.
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Re: WAR! Cars VS Bicycles

Postby Paul - TV Techie » Tue May 16, 2017 1:56 pm

It is advised and safer for cyclists to ride two abreast in order that passing vehicles can do so quickly and effectively.


This should really be single file - as the only reason they peddle side by side is to talk to each other, wobbling while trying to listen to each other.

Also would like to add quite often in large group 3 abreast or taking up so much of the road they should PAY SOME BLOODY ROAD TAX FOR THE AMOUNT THEY ARE USING.... OR AT LEAST ALLOW THOSE WHO DO PAY AND ARE WORKING WITH SOMEWHERE TO GO TO PASS :D

I've nothing against cyclists - we do have to share, but big groups holding people up or riding too far across the road does wind up other road users and is not safe. Personally I think it is inconsiderate. When I go bike riding with a friend, majority of time single file and always aware that cars will want to overtake.
Cyclist will ride as near to the side of the road as is safe.
Not that I see often locally.

A good cyclist gives clear hand signals.
Seen a couple of times at best. Often not the case.

A good cyclist obeys all the road signs.
No, they are on a bike, so they ignore as can get away with. Traffic lights, you name it.

So in summary seems the cyclists can do as they please and don't seem to keep their end up, rarely get caught - the onus as always is on the tax paying road users.


We should all work together, though some parties need to be a little less selfish. There are bike lanes and give cars space - wobbling around chatting while on a bike is not better than mucking around on a mobile in a car - distracted...
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Re: WAR! Cars VS Bicycles

Postby dr.doolittle » Tue May 16, 2017 1:58 pm

I guess its same rule when passing horses.
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Re: WAR! Cars VS Bicycles

Postby Paul - TV Techie » Tue May 16, 2017 2:02 pm

Probably, except horses don't need to ride side by side for a chat (unless a dual horse driven carriage). :D
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Re: WAR! Cars VS Bicycles

Postby djw » Tue May 16, 2017 6:36 pm

Who pays road tax? Suma is for your vehicle and road tax was abolished in the 1930s to stop vehicle drivers thinking they owned the road in the UK. Oh dear I wish people would stop feeling they owned the road because they pay a tax on their vehicle.
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Re: WAR! Cars VS Bicycles

Postby scubydoo » Tue May 16, 2017 8:57 pm

Stephen47 wrote:Of course there is no war between the two road users although sometimes it seems that way. But after five years of observation as both a motorist and cyclist on Spanish roads I thought I would put down a few thoughts about driving and cycling in Spain.

Motorists:

  • According to the Spanish highway code, a motorist is held responsible for any (yes any) accident between a vehicle and a bicycle. It is the drivers responsibility to then prove otherwise.
  • Passing a cyclist/s should be done at low speed (the draft can cause a cycle to veer of course and cause an accident)
  • 1,5 meters is the MINIMUM space a vehicle must allow when passing a cyclist.
  • It is allowed to cross the solid white line when overtaking a cyclist
  • Any vehicle must wait to pass a cyclist/s if there are oncoming vehicles.


Cyclists:

  • Cyclist will ride as near to the side of the road as is safe.
  • It is advised and safer for cyclists to ride two abreast in order that passing vehicles can do so quickly and effectively.
  • A good cyclist will not stop in front of a vehicle at traffic lights.
  • A good cyclist gives clear hand signals.
  • A good cyclist obeys all the road signs.

Over the past few years I have observed motorists on the Spanish roads and I am ashamed and sorry to say that British registered vehicles are the worst of all drivers. So please lets ALL be safe on the lovely Spanish roads and work together.


What brought that on! In my experience most of the Spanish driver are complete nutters with indicators that never work except for the ITV and no regard for anyone other than themselves especialy when running into other cars when parking!

You sound like a level headed Cyclist with a chip on both shoulders! LOL
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Re: WAR! Cars VS Bicycles

Postby linkwater » Wed May 17, 2017 1:12 am

Biggest rule for cyclists is that Lycra should be banned for the over 30's.
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Re: WAR! Cars VS Bicycles

Postby donaduo » Wed May 17, 2017 5:55 am

Does Lycra kill brain cells?
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Re: WAR! Cars VS Bicycles

Postby Ron Hill » Wed May 17, 2017 7:16 am

:text-goodpost: Stephan47 it is always useful for us to know the law and :text-goodpost:Paul-tvtechie for pointing out the reality
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Re: WAR! Cars VS Bicycles

Postby manxmunk » Wed May 17, 2017 7:53 am

I used to suffer with the cyclists when I drove my little vauxhall aguila, but since I bought my new vehicle, cyclists seem to show me more respect.......I knew buying that snow plough was a good idea. :lol:
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