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90 day rule for staying in Spain as a non resident

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Re: 90 day rule for staying in Spain as a non resident

Postby marcliff » Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:28 pm

earlybay wrote:It would be nice if home owning, car owning non residents would be exempt from taxes such as suma, non resident tax, and costs of services that are not being used e.g road tax, internet retainer etc for periods they are not allowed in the country !



Yerrrsssss.
And those owning second homes in UK to be exempt council tax?
Those of us paying tax to HMRC on certain pensions to be exempt?
How about we mark all the houses for those not living here with a big red cross. Then the police can ignore it if someone reports intruders and the fire brigade can go somewhere else if it burns down. After all, you wouldn't be paying taxes to pay for them.
Any roads with more than 5 red crosses can have the road only maintained to a percentage of the time you actually pay your taxes and, when you do come to Spain, you can only use the B roads since you are only paying a small amount to maintain all those other roads day after day.
I suppose we could double the tax on those renting their homes in Spain out to make up for the shortfall in taxes to pay for the bins to be emptied and so on.
You pay for internet when you're not here? Maybe you should contact one of the many switch on/off companies.
Retainer?

To get away from the realms of fantasy, I think we should wait until a few more details are known.
After all, people seem to be getting mixed up with the Spanish promises on a no deal Brexit. Now we have a deal, pretty sure lots more will change, as they will throughout the transition period.
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Re: 90 day rule for staying in Spain as a non resident

Postby Elpando » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:47 pm

marcliff wrote:
earlybay wrote:It would be nice if home owning, car owning non residents would be exempt from taxes such as suma, non resident tax, and costs of services that are not being used e.g road tax, internet retainer etc for periods they are not allowed in the country !



Yerrrsssss.
And those owning second homes in UK to be exempt council tax?
Those of us paying tax to HMRC on certain pensions to be exempt?
How about we mark all the houses for those not living here with a big red cross. Then the police can ignore it if someone reports intruders and the fire brigade can go somewhere else if it burns down. After all, you wouldn't be paying taxes to pay for them.
Any roads with more than 5 red crosses can have the road only maintained to a percentage of the time you actually pay your taxes and, when you do come to Spain, you can only use the B roads since you are only paying a small amount to maintain all those other roads day after day.
I suppose we could double the tax on those renting their homes in Spain out to make up for the shortfall in taxes to pay for the bins to be emptied and so on.
You pay for internet when you're not here? Maybe you should contact one of the many switch on/off companies.
Retainer?

To get away from the realms of fantasy, I think we should wait until a few more details are known.
After all, people seem to be getting mixed up with the Spanish promises on a no deal Brexit. Now we have a deal, pretty sure lots more will change, as they will throughout the transition period.
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Re: 90 day rule for staying in Spain as a non resident

Postby PeteKnight » Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:35 pm

Shiva wrote:Pete, you say "it is being reported..." re monitoring of movement. Where has this been reported? What kind of monitoring? Not challenging what you say, just seeking clarification. Might this actually be more to with counting traveller numbers? It is certainly not consistent. Arriving at Alicante airport myself two weeks ago they didn't even bother with any passport control, just offloaded everyone into the baggage area.



I said Recorded, not Reported.

Apparently, according to reports on the Costa Blanca Forum, all UK passports are now being scanned at the airports. This seems to be since Brexit day.
I'm not sure how accurate this is, but as you have to fill-in Advanced Passenger Information before you can fly in or out of Spain then the data has been available to the authorities for a long time.

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Re: 90 day rule for staying in Spain as a non resident

Postby Shiva » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:28 pm

Thanks,Pete, ok , I was referring to you saying "it's being reported" . Brexit day was only yesterday. Of course electronic passport gates already effectively scan your passport, though not everyone uses them ( If you go through a manual check they don't always do more than glance at your ID document) And, as you say, when flying there is API data, so nothing in particular has changed yet. We'll all just have to wait and see how things pan out.
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Re: 90 day rule for staying in Spain as a non resident

Postby tonemar » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:21 pm

I find it all very strange, the United Kingdom has stuck it fingers up at the EU, because the UK life is being ruined by EU Rules. Explain?
Perhaps Brexit has not gone far enough. Let,s stop all Brits coming to Spain. Police interventions to flight problems at Alicante, 76% UK Flights.
Obviously I, writing nonsense, but that what Brexit is. ERG Farage etc etc wringing their hand with glee, making a fortune, sod the peasants.
I have written several letters to UK papers, trying to explain what is actually like to live in Spain. NO REPLY from anybody.
Well let,s see.
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Re: 90 day rule for staying in Spain as a non resident

Postby 1foot4ward » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:20 am

Personally I don’t see the point of worrying about something when nobody fully knows what will happen?

Either way, there will be options, apply for residence for example.
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Re: 90 day rule for staying in Spain as a non resident

Postby Bhoy1967 » Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:11 pm

I just hope they sort out all those that flaunt the rules, I know of at least 6 couples that come to Quesada area from September till May, have no Spanish licence Have a British car and abuse the EHIC system.
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Re: 90 day rule for staying in Spain as a non resident

Postby Shiva » Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:35 pm

Bhoy1967 wrote:I just hope they sort out all those that flaunt the rules, I know of at least 6 couples that come to Quesada area from September till May, have no Spanish licence Have a British car and abuse the EHIC system.

I think your wish will be granted.
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Re: 90 day rule for staying in Spain as a non resident

Postby Paulr » Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:56 pm

Shiva wrote:Pete, you say "it is being reported..." re monitoring of movement. Where has this been reported? What kind of monitoring? Not challenging what you say, just seeking clarification. Might this actually be more to with counting traveller numbers? It is certainly not consistent. Arriving at Alicante airport myself two weeks ago they didn't even bother with any passport control, just offloaded everyone into the baggage area.



Picked up from another forum, regarding a message from the British Consul talking about the impact of Schengen on non-residents who over-winter in Spain for up to 6 months:

"This could be problematic of course because of the tougher registration requirements for 3rd-country nationals, but such is the system. The UK’s Ambassador to Spain, Hugh Elliot, has confirmed that the British and Spanish authorities are aware of “the swallow issue”, and the matter is firmly on their radar BUT he cannot confirm that special rules will be put in place or be able to be agreed in the bilateral negotiations which are ongoing throughout this year and naturally which are yet to be concluded. He also stressed, contrary to what many “swallows” think and allege, that the UK and Spanish authorities are not only planning to monitor and enforce these systems, they are already talking to each other and doing so."
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Re: 90 day rule for staying in Spain as a non resident

Postby Bee » Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:09 am

Is there not a well laid down model in Canada catering for "the snowbirds" which will probably be used in any agreement particularly as a similar trade agreement to the EU/Canada Trade Agreement has been spoken about by the UK.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadian ... -1.2925513

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