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House Sale to UK residents post brexit
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Re: House Sale to UK residents post brexit
by jamiep » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:28 pm
I have heard of this affecting torrevieja as its within the specified distance from Cartagena but does anyone know the actual areas affected
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Re: House Sale to UK residents post brexit
by Paul Uden » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:04 pm
jamiep wrote:I have heard of this affecting torrevieja as its within the specified distance from Cartagena but does anyone know the actual areas affected
I can't remember the boundaries exactly, but I think we generally avoided Orihuela Costa and Southwards, and then Torrevieja and Northwards (including inland villages) was fine. For example, I remember a sale in Los Montesinos to a non-EU national, no problem.
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Re: House Sale to UK residents post brexit
by Pipsyspup » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:02 pm
How about Quesada?
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Re: House Sale to UK residents post brexit
by Paul Uden » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:42 pm
Pipsyspup wrote:How about Quesada?
Quesada is definitely not in a military zone
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Re: House Sale to UK residents post brexit
by marcliff » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:55 pm
It's all explained on the following link
Property on Defence Land
If you open it with Google Chrome you can use the translate to English option by pressing the right button on your keypad.
Property on Defence Land
If you open it with Google Chrome you can use the translate to English option by pressing the right button on your keypad.
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Re: House Sale to UK residents post brexit
by Bee » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:06 pm
This is the translation which I had put in another topic so let it not go to waste - Bee
Una ley preconstitucional amenaza la venta de más de 800 viviendas anuales a británicos en la Vega Baja - Información (informacion.es)
Pre-constitution law threatens sale of more than 800 homes annually to Britons in Vega Baja
Legislation on areas of interest for national defence obliges UK citizens to seek authorisation from the Government to acquire homes in the area after Brexit
In addition to the new controls to be overcome by passengers and goods at the border, Brexit will also pose a new obstacle to the sale of homes to British citizens, at least in some towns in the Vega Baja, where a pre-constitution military law limits access to real estate to non-EU citizens.
It is specifically the Law on Zones and Facilities of Interest for National Defense,march 1975, and the regulations that develop it, of February 1978, that grants this cataloguing to a wide perimeter around the naval base of Cartagena, comprising much of the municipal terms of San Miguel de Salinas, Pilar de la Horadada, Orihuela and Torrevieja. In the case of the coast, it covers the entire coast to Cape Cervera.
This regulation does not prohibit non-EU citizens from being able to buy homes in the area, but it does require prior authorization from the Ministry of Defence,which takes between four and six months, which may discourage prospective buyers and result in a good number of operations, as they warned yesterday from the Provincial Association of Promoters (Provia), which estimates that around 800 properties are sold in the affected area each year to Britons. Operations that until now did not need any special formalities.
The truth is that the problem is not new and that the entrepreneurs and town halls of the region have been fighting for years to modify a regulation that hinders the real estate business, in one of the areas of Spain with the greatest weight of residential tourism. For example, in the middle of the last decade there were efforts by consistory such as Torrevieja and even a motion in the Senate was passed urging the Government to change legislation, without any result. The concern was the brakes that the regulations posed for the burgeoning market of Russian and other East buyers, who must also process the authorization.
This has led to the emergence of specialized managers who are responsible for performing the whole process, but still the inconvenience is obvious. Those affected must provide a full battery of documentation, such as a certificate of criminals from their country, plans of the farm, photocopy of the passport... And all duly translated and sometimes duplicated. Demands that for entrepreneurs are meaningless today, if they ever were.
Avalanche of petitions
Provia recalls that the volume of British buyers in the province is much higher than Russian, and what they fear is that the avalanche of applications that can be recorded will further delay the deadlines for resolving petitions. "If buyers start to get stuck, they'll go somewhere else. Six months is a long time, no bank is going to keep you on loan conditions for so long, and if it increases, it will be even worse," Provia's Secretary General Jesualdo Ros said yesterday.
Although it had not been made public until now, entrepreneurs have been warning the Administration for months of the new problem that would come with Brexit, channeling their requests through the Government Sub-Delegation. In particular, employers demand that the obligation to apply for this authorization be eliminated "which is governed by a decree approved prior to the adoption of the text of the Spanish Constitution", or, if not, propose that existing alternatives such as positive administrative silence or responsible declaration be applied.
For Provia, "there are more up-to-date ways to get the data requested and you would have much more complete and useful information than the one you request," they point out from the entity. In its view, the rules on money laundering to be met by financial institutions or public fedariums are 'examples of data which would be more than sufficient and current to consider authorising these purchases of housing and would involve simplifying processing processes and thus attracting wealth to the province of Alicante', the secretary general of the sponsor of the developers noted.
In addition to the Cartagena area, which also covers a large territory in the Region of Murcia, including the entire Mar Menor, the legislation limits the sale of real estate to non-EU citizens in the areas adjacent to the borders with Portugal and France, much of the Galician coast or almost the entire coast of the province of Cadiz, in the Strait of Gibraltar. From the Ministry of Defence, they did not answer the questions in this newspaper yesterday about whether they were planning to take any action on the issue.
Real estate transactions fall by 11% in November
The sale of homes in the province closed last November with a new drop in last year's figures, in this case 11%, according to data released yesterday by the INE. In particular, during that month, 2,753 operations were formalized compared to 3,096 in the same period of 2019. Of these, 84% were second-hand housing. With this figure, in the accumulated year the decrease in the purchase of homes stands at 25%, with a total of 25,841 transactions recorded compared to 34,499 last year.
Una ley preconstitucional amenaza la venta de más de 800 viviendas anuales a británicos en la Vega Baja - Información (informacion.es)
Pre-constitution law threatens sale of more than 800 homes annually to Britons in Vega Baja
Legislation on areas of interest for national defence obliges UK citizens to seek authorisation from the Government to acquire homes in the area after Brexit
In addition to the new controls to be overcome by passengers and goods at the border, Brexit will also pose a new obstacle to the sale of homes to British citizens, at least in some towns in the Vega Baja, where a pre-constitution military law limits access to real estate to non-EU citizens.
It is specifically the Law on Zones and Facilities of Interest for National Defense,march 1975, and the regulations that develop it, of February 1978, that grants this cataloguing to a wide perimeter around the naval base of Cartagena, comprising much of the municipal terms of San Miguel de Salinas, Pilar de la Horadada, Orihuela and Torrevieja. In the case of the coast, it covers the entire coast to Cape Cervera.
This regulation does not prohibit non-EU citizens from being able to buy homes in the area, but it does require prior authorization from the Ministry of Defence,which takes between four and six months, which may discourage prospective buyers and result in a good number of operations, as they warned yesterday from the Provincial Association of Promoters (Provia), which estimates that around 800 properties are sold in the affected area each year to Britons. Operations that until now did not need any special formalities.
The truth is that the problem is not new and that the entrepreneurs and town halls of the region have been fighting for years to modify a regulation that hinders the real estate business, in one of the areas of Spain with the greatest weight of residential tourism. For example, in the middle of the last decade there were efforts by consistory such as Torrevieja and even a motion in the Senate was passed urging the Government to change legislation, without any result. The concern was the brakes that the regulations posed for the burgeoning market of Russian and other East buyers, who must also process the authorization.
This has led to the emergence of specialized managers who are responsible for performing the whole process, but still the inconvenience is obvious. Those affected must provide a full battery of documentation, such as a certificate of criminals from their country, plans of the farm, photocopy of the passport... And all duly translated and sometimes duplicated. Demands that for entrepreneurs are meaningless today, if they ever were.
Avalanche of petitions
Provia recalls that the volume of British buyers in the province is much higher than Russian, and what they fear is that the avalanche of applications that can be recorded will further delay the deadlines for resolving petitions. "If buyers start to get stuck, they'll go somewhere else. Six months is a long time, no bank is going to keep you on loan conditions for so long, and if it increases, it will be even worse," Provia's Secretary General Jesualdo Ros said yesterday.
Although it had not been made public until now, entrepreneurs have been warning the Administration for months of the new problem that would come with Brexit, channeling their requests through the Government Sub-Delegation. In particular, employers demand that the obligation to apply for this authorization be eliminated "which is governed by a decree approved prior to the adoption of the text of the Spanish Constitution", or, if not, propose that existing alternatives such as positive administrative silence or responsible declaration be applied.
For Provia, "there are more up-to-date ways to get the data requested and you would have much more complete and useful information than the one you request," they point out from the entity. In its view, the rules on money laundering to be met by financial institutions or public fedariums are 'examples of data which would be more than sufficient and current to consider authorising these purchases of housing and would involve simplifying processing processes and thus attracting wealth to the province of Alicante', the secretary general of the sponsor of the developers noted.
In addition to the Cartagena area, which also covers a large territory in the Region of Murcia, including the entire Mar Menor, the legislation limits the sale of real estate to non-EU citizens in the areas adjacent to the borders with Portugal and France, much of the Galician coast or almost the entire coast of the province of Cadiz, in the Strait of Gibraltar. From the Ministry of Defence, they did not answer the questions in this newspaper yesterday about whether they were planning to take any action on the issue.
Real estate transactions fall by 11% in November
The sale of homes in the province closed last November with a new drop in last year's figures, in this case 11%, according to data released yesterday by the INE. In particular, during that month, 2,753 operations were formalized compared to 3,096 in the same period of 2019. Of these, 84% were second-hand housing. With this figure, in the accumulated year the decrease in the purchase of homes stands at 25%, with a total of 25,841 transactions recorded compared to 34,499 last year.
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Re: House Sale to UK residents post brexit
by partygoer » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:11 pm
Paul Uden wrote:Pipsyspup wrote:How about Quesada?
Quesada is definitely not in a military zone
Well a friend of mine from New Zealand ( non eu citizen )rented a property up near the top of the old airport road 3 years ago...He was screened by the police as that area is in a military zone.
There is a Military building near the large mast on the end of lemon tree road. That mast is a listening station for the med...
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Re: House Sale to UK residents post brexit
by jpeg » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:15 pm
partygoer wrote:Paul Uden wrote:Pipsyspup wrote:How about Quesada?
Quesada is definitely not in a military zone
Well a friend of mine from New Zealand ( non eu citizen )rented a property up near the top of the old airport road 3 years ago...He was screened by the police as that area is in a military zone.
There is a Military building near the large mast on the end of lemon tree road. That mast is a listening station for the med...
That mast is the property of the USA it was put there to detect submarine activity in the Med it is taller than the Eiffel Tower by a good few metres
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Re: House Sale to UK residents post brexit
by Glassfull » Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:08 pm
jpeg wrote:That mast is the property of the USA it was put there to detect submarine activity in the Med it is taller than the Eiffel Tower by a good few metres
It was erected for submarine communications but, it has now been handed to Spain
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Re: House Sale to UK residents post brexit
by Bee » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:28 pm
Yes it is under the control of the Spanish Navy now. They opened it up for tours last year. I better correct the record. This is what the article said
La Torre de los americanos, el edificio más alto de España, trabaja bajo el mar | Comunidad Valenciana | EL PAÍS (elpais.com)
"The Station is operational 365 days a year" and has no rest, as it provides a 24-hour service seven days a week. Thirty people go through their doors every day, "27 military and 3 civilians," according to the ministry. The former belong "mainly to the General Corps of the Navy, being the bulk of its personal components with the specialty of Information and Communications Systems". In addition, they are accompanied by "a Marine Safety Unit".
[START]Today,no one else accesses the interior of this military plant, which in total occupies an area of 625,218 square meters, although a year ago it participated in a program of guided tours in which, according to Francisco Parres, curator of the Archaeological Museum of Guardamar,"radio installations and the old houses of the Marines" were shown. However, this tour of the facilities, which already when allowed had quite a few safety restrictions, has been slowed down and the communications antenna has turned its back on its neighbors. Although there is no one in the coastal town of Alicanti or in others nearby, such as Torrevieja, who does not have a history related to the tower.[/START]
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La Torre de los americanos, el edificio más alto de España, trabaja bajo el mar | Comunidad Valenciana | EL PAÍS (elpais.com)
"The Station is operational 365 days a year" and has no rest, as it provides a 24-hour service seven days a week. Thirty people go through their doors every day, "27 military and 3 civilians," according to the ministry. The former belong "mainly to the General Corps of the Navy, being the bulk of its personal components with the specialty of Information and Communications Systems". In addition, they are accompanied by "a Marine Safety Unit".
[START]Today,no one else accesses the interior of this military plant, which in total occupies an area of 625,218 square meters, although a year ago it participated in a program of guided tours in which, according to Francisco Parres, curator of the Archaeological Museum of Guardamar,"radio installations and the old houses of the Marines" were shown. However, this tour of the facilities, which already when allowed had quite a few safety restrictions, has been slowed down and the communications antenna has turned its back on its neighbors. Although there is no one in the coastal town of Alicanti or in others nearby, such as Torrevieja, who does not have a history related to the tower.[/START]
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