Seems that exit from the EU isn't beneficial to the UK

mondo · by **mondo** » Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:41 pm

IanCurtis wrote:If your a Spanish resident why is this affecting you and why should you care!! I know I wouldn't be.

Perhaps if you thought that your family are affected by the UK, and your pension is paid by the UK and your medical costs are supported by the UK...all paid by you over 50 of years and should be yours by right, you would see why it matters to ex Pat's.. .

David Stokes · by **David Stokes** » Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:12 pm

mondo wrote:
IanCurtis wrote:If your a Spanish resident why is this affecting you and why should you care!! I know I wouldn't be.

Perhaps if you thought that your family are affected by the UK, and your pension is paid by the UK and your medical costs are supported by the UK...all paid by you over 50 of years and should be yours by right, you would see why it matters to ex Pat's.. .

MichaelC · by **MichaelC** » Mon Jul 04, 2022 7:58 pm

I see Keith Starmer, so Labour have today ruled out rejoining the EU.
Since there are only 2 parties, Labour and the Conservative, who can genuinely ever win general election, that settles the question on the EU. Which confirms has previously stated many times, Britain will not be rejoining the EU in our lifetimes, so let's drop this constant belief that brexit can be reversed...

Glassfull · by **Glassfull** » Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:18 pm

MichaelC wrote:I see Keith Starmer, so Labour have today ruled out rejoining the EU.
Since there are only 2 parties, Labour and the Conservative, who can genuinely ever win general election, that settles the question on the EU. Which confirms has previously stated many times, Britain will not be rejoining the EU in our lifetimes, so let's drop this constant belief that brexit can be reversed...

So today there’s no champion for rejoining but, tomorrow, or the day after?

I doubt that, on the first of January 1973, there was much support for leaving but eventually a campaign was started.

So Michael, please stop gloating at that misguided victory and accept that, in time, the tide will change

McCracken21 · by **McCracken21** » Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:23 am

MichaelC wrote:Britain will never rejoin the EU, its just a fantasy that it will.

Move on

There can be no demand for another vote in the hope that a different outcome to suit the remainers would be achieved! Then it simply isn’t a democracy. A perfect example is Sturgeon who will keep calling a vote, which should have been a once in a lifetime vote, until she gets what SHE wants! No acceptance of democracy there.

Darro · by **Darro** » Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:49 am

Funny how most of the controversial or venemous posts about Brexit are by leave voters.

For as much as remainers regret Brexit and wish it hadn't happened the vast majority have accepted it and just want the best possible made of the consequences.

Perhaps if the leavers had more to talk about in terms of genuine benefits accrued from leaving they wouldn't have to keep attacking the other half.

Come on then leavers, you know where remainders stand (and it's NOT rejoining) so let's have some sensible no name calling arguments from you about the benefits of Brexit.

I've thrown this question out there before but with little or no response other than being labelled a 'remoaner', sadly I'm expecting no more this time.

David Stokes · by **David Stokes** » Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:56 am

Darro wrote:Funny how most of the controversial or venemous posts about Brexit are by leave voters.

For as much as remainers regret Brexit and wish it hadn't happened the vast majority have accepted it and just want the best possible made of the consequences.

Perhaps if the leavers had more to talk about in terms of genuine benefits accrued from leaving they wouldn't have to keep attacking the other half.

Come on then leavers, you know where remainders stand (and it's NOT rejoining) so let's have some sensible no name calling arguments from you about the benefits of Brexit.

I've thrown this question out there before but with little or no response other than being labelled a 'remoaner', sadly I'm expecting no more this time.

Excellent post Darro, you've hit the nail on the head. There have simply been no benefits from Brexit and plenty of problems, which is why the leavers are so defensive.

I too would like to see a sustainable argument proving a single benefit. All the promises - saving money, controlling borders, new trade deals on better terms - none of them have come to fruition - and we have lost 40% of exports to our biggest market, the EU.

Darro · by **Darro** » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:21 am

Leavers who may struggle to come up with their own argument or arguements to demonstrate the benefit(s?) of Brexit may care to peruse this site and choose one item out of the 653 listed to comment on or contest.

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/regular- ... e-dossier/

Some will predictably dismiss the site as remoaniner propaganda but whatever your standpoint the stark comparison between 653 downsides and just 21 'upsides' cannot be ignored.

Come on leavers, we really do want to engage in civil and meaningful discussion with you.

Redwoodsman · by **Redwoodsman** » Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:53 am

OK,
I write this as one who hated the xenophobic arguments of Farage etc. and had worked in Brussels as part of a cross Europe organization with members from all of the EU countries.
For me, personally, a "stay" vote would have been easier

Just one example of the "thinness" of that quoted piece,
(I do not generally defend Davis as I always anticipated and expected many "downsides")

583. Passport rules: A family has lost a £3,000 holiday after the mother was told her passport, which expired in February 2023 was not valid for travel to Portugal and some other European countries. Although the passport had more than the required three months before the expiry date, Nina Gurd was told the expiry date was irrelevant, she explained to the BBC. Bournemouth Airport staff said it needed to be within ten years of the issue date and Gurd’s passport was originally issued on 29 May 2012, but had been renewed early and another nine months added, giving it a new expiry date of 28 February 2023.

Simple conclusion: complicated rules need to be read, understood and complied with (that includes - by UK government departments)

Separately, there is a discussion that needed to take place about the ECB. the inter EU countries debts (e.g. Greece & Italy), the way those countries debts have become such a major part of ECB assets and what would have been the pressure for the UK to adopt the Euro.

It was wrong (in the 1975 "Common Market" referendum) to judge entry on "the price of a pound of butter" argument, exit will probably take a 20 to 30 year period to form a truly meaningful view.

Brewingdog · by **Brewingdog** » Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:38 pm

Darro wrote:Leavers who may struggle to come up with their own argument or arguements to demonstrate the benefit(s?) of Brexit may care to peruse this site and choose one item out of the 653 listed to comment on or contest.

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/regular- ... e-dossier/

Some will predictably dismiss the site as remoaniner propaganda but whatever your standpoint the stark comparison between 653 downsides and just 21 'upsides' cannot be ignored.

Come on leavers, we really do want to engage in civil and meaningful discussion with you.

That link makes for a very interesting read. So much stuff in there that the ordinary Briton has no idea about.

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