Emigration from England

Hi Nicola & Graeme what your intending to do is a good move & renting first is also wise as its easier to move if your renting than having bought as it takes time to sus out neighbors & areas as like the UK theres good & bad. We can recomend Hope Properties in Quesada for renting Mariano Madrid as an independent Lawyer he is Spanish but speaks perfect English as does his Staff. Contact details follow. https://www.hopepropertiesinspain.com/ http://gmlegalexperts.com/
If you need anymore info just email or pm us on here were from Scotland & now in our 9th year here.

Bear in mind you cannot have resident status in both Spain and the UK.

Much of the conflicting info regarding income comes from web resources which are out of date, this one for instance takes it's figures from between 2010 and 2016 but you only know that by looking up the the source of the info which is here.

If standard 3rd country national rules are to be applied to Brits post Dec 31st. - and so far there is nothing to suggest anything to the contrary - then the income requirement will be 4x IPREM (Spanish minimum income) which for 2020 is € 7,519.59 or €30,078 plus 1/4 of that per additional family member so for a couple that's €37,595 pa.

I don't think it's coincidence that the IPREM figure of €7,519 is almost precisely mid way between the figures of €7,000 and €8,000 commonly being mentioned for current residencia applications!

I still can't find the rule that lays down how much you require as financial income and all the sites simply state sufficient income to fund yourself in Spain for EU citizens
However, I did find the rates that were applicable as of April last year which could give an indication.
These rates are for EU and EEA citizens applying for residency laid down in the legislation that I still can't find.

One Person €5164.60 or €368.90 per calendar month (Spain works on a system of 14 salary payments per year)
Two People €8779.82 or €627.13 p/cm
Three People €12395.04 or €885.36 p/cm
Four People €16010.26 or €1143.59 p/cm

Now, those are the rates from last year and I will try and find the current ones. They are for EU and EEA citizens only.
Note that Sanitas healthcare and Abaco adviser both say on their websites the you require €800 per calendar month per person but that would be using 12 monthly payments per year and not 14 as in the calculations above and would only apply for two people taking out residency.

After Brexit? Absolutely nobody knows. It's all guesswork. The Police don't know, the solicitors don't know, the bloke up the pub doesn't know. I have absolutely no idea.

Until treaties and agreements are signed and deals made between UK and the EU or individual countries then nobody knows. The only thing you can do is plan for the worst and, if UK is treated as a third country then look to see how much somebody from the USA or India or wherever has to show.

Firstly they must apply for a non-lucrative visa (in other words, not working) and provide a police certificate showing no criminal record. The important bit (this is for non EU or EEA members and also doesn't apply to some S American countries). The sums shown are worked out on BOE 1282/2007 of May 10 2007 and state:

a) For their support, during their stay in Spain, the amount to be accredited must reach an amount that represents in euros 10% of the gross interprofessional minimum wage or its legal equivalent in foreign currency multiplied by the number of days they intend to stay in Spain. and by the number of people traveling under him.

Said amount will be, in any case, a minimum that represents 90% of the gross interprofessional minimum wage in force at any time or its legal equivalent in foreign currency per person, regardless of the planned length of stay.

Monthly income for first applicant: €2,151.36 per calendar month or €25,816 per year based on 12 payments (if 14 payments then over €30,000 a year as stated by A.N. Other.)
(note; the above figures are correct as of 2018)
Then €537.84 per calendar month for each additional applicant in the family.

The above is from the Spanish Consulate in Los Angeles for Americans applying for residency in Spain and is an EU ruling governing residency anywhere in the EU. The table is shown at this link. But remember that is 2018.

Will UK citizens have to provide the same proof and go through the same rigmarole after Brexit?
I reiterate, nobody knows but there will definitely be changes. Let's hope UK and the EU can reach some type of agreement quickly as time is definitely running out.

Note that the new Interprofessional Minimum wage as altered in February this year under Royal Decree 231/2020
which states that is now €950 per month.
You can wade through all those if you wish but at least it gives some idea of how they get to the figures.
Still looking for a BOE which states the minimum income required for EU citizens.

Have fun and enjoy the sun.

Thank you Marcliff for your speedy reply.

Welcome to this fantastic forum and I agree rent for at least six months it gives you a chance to make your mind up about a particular area. We had been looking for two years in England subscribing to a lot of estate agents,we were pretty sure we wanted Quesada or San Luis had six months in Quesada and decided we didn't want to buy there,we live in a tiny hamlet among orange and lemon groves and we absolutely love it so does our Staffy!! ps our IBA rates are €47.00 a year brill. Good luck and welcome!!

Just a question created by these posts

If there any reason one part of a coupe who has the possibility of an Irish Passport being resident in UK,
the British passport holder getting residence in Spain, this year,

so as to get the ability to come and go as they want from Spain or Uk (need caused by uncertainty of Brexit)

oadbyman wrote:Just a question created by these posts

If there any reason one part of a coupe who has the possibility of an Irish Passport being resident in UK,
the British passport holder getting residence in Spain, this year,


so as to get the ability to come and go as they want from Spain or Uk (need caused by uncertainty of Brexit)

Hi oadbyman,

I think you're asking whether it's possible for one person with an Irish passport to remain UK resident, whilst their partner with a British passport obtains Spanish residency this year? My answer is why? Brexit doesn't deny UK citizens entry - it just imposes restrictions on those who are non-resident - so if the plan is to "come and go" as you want, that won't be a problem.

However, whilst neither party would be subject to Schengen rules (90 days in rolling 180 days) under the terms you've described, the Irish passport holder would only be allowed to be in Spain for a maximum of 182 days in each Spanish tax year (1 January to 31 December), otherwise they become tax resident in Spain. In fact, even after 90 days in Spain, the Irish passport holder should apply for residency, but people from EU countries have been ignoring that requirement because their movement in and out of EU countries isn't monitored. Brexit has changed that for UK citizens who are in Spain illegally, as entry and exit is now recorded.

If I haven't interpreted your post correctly, please advise.

Paul

oadbyman wrote:so as to get the ability to come and go as they want from Spain or Uk

Only Spanish citizens and residents have the ability to come and go as they please, everybody else is limited to 30 days before being obliged to apply for residency or leave.

Not sure what happened to the links in my earlier post but I've edited it to correct them.