Dignitas

mondo wrote:.. and I disagree...

the state should not kill people. We should be better than that. If we started doing that there would be no incentive to look for better cures, palliative care etc..

And some children may want to end their parents life just to get the money..

A slippery slope---

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Here we go again. Do some research .. The state doesn`t kill anyone. The person who wants to die with dignity initiates their own death while they are of sound mind.

Strict controls are always adhered to in not matter what country that practises it .. and there are many and growing every day. Whether it`s taking the required drink or as turning a small tap on a drip .. it`s ALWAYS by the patients own hand.

Some pain cannot be eased by drugs, like my father, and when you have only six months to live why should they live out those last six months in abject pain and misery and degradation .. again like my father. Palliative care doesn`t work for everyone.

Comments like yours is why the UK will never move on as other countries have. I can assure you, you need to experience it at first hand to understand.

Angela17 wrote:

mondo wrote:.. and I disagree...

the state should not kill people. We should be better than that. If we started doing that there would be no incentive to look for better cures, palliative care etc..

And some children may want to end their parents life just to get the money..

A slippery slope---

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Just curious Mondo, would you let a dog suffer?

Nope... but dogs are not people.

Once the country says it is okay to kill people I feel that the door is open. What next? ..only kill people who are going to die anyway?..maybe at 95, 90?.. 80? .70?.. when they no longer contribute?.

..and what about people who have made spectacular recoveries?.. ..(Oooppss..sorry)

We should be putting money into prevention, cures, into pain relief, into palliative care...

I know this will not sit well with some but a human life is a human life... and anyone who thinks "ending suffering" has never been practised by GPs in the UK before is deluding themselves..


Killing people is an easy (and cheap) way out for the government..let´s make the end of life comportable, pain free and dignified.. and at the right time.

--Just my opinion of course.

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TerryG wrote:

mondo wrote:.. and I disagree...

the state should not kill people. We should be better than that. If we started doing that there would be no incentive to look for better cures, palliative care etc..

And some children may want to end their parents life just to get the money..

A slippery slope---

--..

Here we go again. Do some research .. The state doesn`t kill anyone. The person who wants to die with dignity initiates their own death while they are of sound mind.

Strict controls are always adhered to in not matter what country that practises it .. and there are many and growing every day. Whether it`s taking the required drink or as turning a small tap on a drip .. it`s ALWAYS by the patients own hand.

Some pain cannot be eased by drugs, like my father, and when you have only six months to live why should they live out those last six months in abject pain and misery and degradation .. again like my father. Palliative care doesn`t work for everyone.

Comments like yours is why the UK will never move on as other countries have. I can assure you, you need to experience it at first hand to understand.

Please don´t patronise me..

The people who opt for this method are well beyond a cure, they know it and the professionals know it. So why suffer? If you have Motor Neurone disease, you know you are definitely going to get worse and worse over time, it must be awful, you can live for years with it but you most likely would have to be looked after by your family, possibly being feed through a tube, having difficulty breathing family changing your bum blah blah blah, no that's not the life for me.

Hi I worked in a hospice for a couple of years and they always gave people and families a choice if they wanted a unofficial helping hand One 35yr old dying wish believe or not wanted a tattoo so I took my tattooist and he did it for free. Next morning she died but she looked at peace

So, to sum up mondo. If you had a pet that was in pain with no hope of a cure, you would put it out of its misery by humanly euthanising it. But you would let a relative in the same situation, lie there racked with pain for months and sometimes years. What a strange world we live in.

Benjy wrote:So, to sum up mondo. If you had a pet that was in pain with no hope of a cure, you would put it out of its misery by humanly euthanising it. But you would let a relative in the same situation, lie there racked with pain for months and sometimes years. What a strange world we live in.

That is your summary..

Mine is different

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To be blunt here, the reason not to euthanise is simply selfishness by the friend or relatives. They don’t want to let them go, and I appreciate that feeling. BUT, the welfare and in most cases wishes of the patient is paramount and if they have expressed a strong wish to be allowed NOT to suffer, then this wish should be honoured. If on the other hand the patient expressed wishes NOTto be euthanised, then this should also be taken into account.

It seems strange mondo that you say, nope, but dogs are not people. So you would help alleviate a dogs suffering but not a persons. As I said before, it’s a strange world we live in.

It is the principle of the issue. Once the principle of legally killing people has been established it is easy to move the goal posts a smidgen, then another smidgen... and another..it can have scary endings..

It seems most on here are talking of what they have themselves experienced. .. but not all sons and daughters are so caring.. some will try to hasten mum off because they have a big mortgage/loan.. they might convince doctors that it would be better (for whom?) to let them go.. by all means not all people are in a condition to give consent..so someone else would have to decide.. and we all know not all doctors are saints.

It is not an easy subject, but there are many pitfalls and opportunities for abuse once you give permission for someone to "help" someone else to die...

That is of course my opinion.. you may have a different one of course..

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