Socialists Won the Spanish Election

Glassfull wrote:

richardlionheart wrote:

mondo wrote:
However, if only 7 out of every hundred voted for the far right, that might take some time..

ah 'far right' another term so badly mangled and abused by the marxists its meaningless.

Nothing so overworked as ‘Marxists’ either.


So, why do people look to the extreme opposite, when opinions differ?

Well no....'Marxist ' refers to a follower of Marx, who wanted International Socialism. It very well defined. John McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn, for example, are both Marxists

'Far Right' is a fantasy definition by the left without an agreed meaning that cant be applied to any group exclusively and without error. Ther is no real definition of 'far right'. There is most definitely a definition of 'far left' .

Well no....'Marxist ' refers to a follower of Marx, who wanted International Socialism. It very well defined. John McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn, for example, are both Marxists

'Far Right' is a fantasy definition by the left without an agreed meaning that cant be applied to any group exclusively and without error. Ther is no real definition of 'far right'. There is most definitely a definition of 'far left'.


Fascism is usually a word the left, or middle of the road use to describe the far right.

Of course, those that sit in that camp, or indeed those that might be described as Communist would doubtlessly avoid describing themselves thus. It’s more emotive to use those extreme definitions when trying to belittle those with different views

Well lets just look at these. What are the elements that distinguish a fascist doctrine?

******The below is copied and pasted from:
https://www.favreau.info/misc/14-points-fascism.php


1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. In this respect you can count the EU and the EU flag.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. Anti semitism is almost always routine in fascist regimes. The UK Labour party is a perfect example of a left wing orgnanisation currently transitioning to fascism, as denoted by its blind eye turning t oits inherent antisemitism.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. Hence Labours support of an EU Army

5. Rampant Sexism and Racism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution. Note the UK Labour and LibDems have never had a Female leader and never produced a female PM.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Labour Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed. Stalin invoked revolution of the proletariat, and then made strikes illegal.

10. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked. Both Stalin and Mao purged the intellectuals.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Elections in both USSR and China are one party elections.

richardlionheart - When copying and pasting please always show the source of the information.

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Sorry Richard.. that website you linked to is not a realistic website, it could have been knocked together by anyone.... I am sure you can do better

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mondo wrote:Sorry Richard.. that website you linked to is not a realistic website, it could have been knocked together by anyone.... I am sure you can do better


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So if its that easy to demolish the points, lets see your counterarguments.

Or is the fact you simply wafted it away a cop out because i nfact you cant dismiss any of the points?

I suspect its the latter. Facts are facts, no matter where they come from . And that wasnt even the original source, that one admin found was a copy of the original. SO your comment is irrelevant and moot.

Now, got any real debating skills or have you shot your bolt now, and havent a clue?

richardlionheart wrote:

mondo wrote:Sorry Richard.. that website you linked to is not a realistic website, it could have been knocked together by anyone.... I am sure you can do better


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So if its that easy to demolish the points, lets see your counterarguments.

Or is the fact you simply wafted it away a cop out because i nfact you cant dismiss any of the points?

I suspect its the latter. Facts are facts, no matter where they come from . And that wasnt even the original source, that one admin found was a copy of the original. SO your comment is irrelevant and moot.

Now, got any real debating skills or have you shot your bolt now, and havent a clue?

Rather rude...

blingle wrote:

richardlionheart wrote:

mondo wrote:Sorry Richard.. that website you linked to is not a realistic website, it could have been knocked together by anyone.... I am sure you can do better


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So if its that easy to demolish the points, lets see your counterarguments.

Or is the fact you simply wafted it away a cop out because i nfact you cant dismiss any of the points?

I suspect its the latter. Facts are facts, no matter where they come from . And that wasnt even the original source, that one admin found was a copy of the original. SO your comment is irrelevant and moot.

Now, got any real debating skills or have you shot your bolt now, and havent a clue?

Rather rude...

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And I really don´t have a clue... ...

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. about what he is getting at anyway..

He speaks from a point slightly to the right of Ghengis Khan.
I'm happy to live under a socialist government.
I fully expect Britain to be getting one soon.

This is why politics ruin forums..