The Un-Magnificent 7

Got it off your chest then Lionheart?
The noise of running water at the end of March will only be the UK going down the pan.
Oh and by the way...the, Welsh, Scots and N.Irish working class were all screwed by Blair.
But going by your screen name maybe you did not realise that.

1union man,1 man with a little red book and 1 woman with an abacus under her arm,you do the maths!!!.

polop wrote:
And you know the old saying ,you can't believe everything you read!!!

Well since they are the orginal sources of the orginal documents, then youa re calling The Eu, the French Government, and Jean Monnet (the founder of the EU) liars, which rather puts you into the realms of fantasy in this respect.

Please point out any documents in that list which contain factual errors. Ive already read them and checked....

Anyone wanna buy a tinfoil hat?

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mondo wrote:What has happened to the Labour party?.. now they have readmitted Derek Hatton?..

It´s a crazy world..

No itsjust an indication of far left momentum has taken labour.

All fascisms are left wing doctrines, including nazism (read Mein Kampf if you disagee, and the letters of Spengler, one of the key thinkers)) . The key point is when they adopt antisemitism as party policy, thats when they become fascistic - nazism, stainism, maioism, islam, all antisemitic and all fascist in nature. UK Labour has de facto adopted it as well, and has become no less fascist than Moseley. It even has its own Blackshirts - Momentum - who supress diagreement with precisely the same vile agression and threats that the Blackshirts used.

Whats happening is basically a rerun of 1920 - 1936. The failure of 'left' wing parties, combined with the Great Depression ,and similar mass migrations fuelled a similar sort or swing into extrem politics as we are seeing across europe.

And IMHO, it will end the same way, in europe wide war. The outlook is not good.

PeteKnight wrote:
What the country really needs is a government that's capable of acting as the Board of Directors of UK PlC, and steering the country to success. Having career politicians in that role isn't the way forward, and having a system where a government minister can be in charge of Education one week then Health the next is just ridiculous. We need experts, who are paid a proper salary, to run these essential services, or politicians need to leave the current civil servants to get on with the job without meddling and trying to make their mark for the short period that they are 'in charge'.

Pete.

The solution is AI. Ai can be trained to make proper logical decisions deviod of personal interest or gain. Its already starting to happen in things like water management.

richardlionheart wrote:

mondo wrote:What has happened to the Labour party?.. now they have readmitted Derek Hatton?..

It´s a crazy world..

No itsjust an indication of far left momentum has taken labour.

All fascisms are left wing doctrines, including nazism (read Mein Kampf if you disagee) . The key point is when they adopt antisemitism as party policy, thats when they become fascistic - nazism, stainism, maioism, islam, all antisemitic and all fascist in nature. UK Labour has de facto adopted it as well.

I totally agree.. and to add insult to injury, Derek Hatton has rejoined..

Trouble is, a lot of people still voted for Corbyn.... he actually seems popular.. strange...

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mondo wrote:
Trouble is, a lot of people still voted for Corbyn.... he actually seems popular.. strange...

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When Corbyn was voted in as leader, i was very active on Twitter, with more than 10,000 followers, and ran a political blog with 10k subscribers, so i picked up a lot of what was going on .

Corbyns votes essentially came from 3 groups:

1. the die hard Labour Voters who yearned for the good old days of Kier Hrdy and Lloyd George. They didnt realise Corbyn was so far left he made them look like Tories, because the labour publicity machine managed to portay him as a kind, genial, harmless cuddly old man.

2. Under 25's. Labour activists spent years infiltrating and brainwashing students, so when the call came to vote for Corbyn, they all paid ther £25 (in a lot of cases Momentum paid it), joined the Labour party and voted for him.

3. However another group saw there chance as well. It was perfectly clear to people with experience of how politics works that Corbyn would take Labour into hard Marxism, and make Labour unelectable. The English voters, when it comes to the crunch do not and never will vote for extremist parties, which is why in the past, communists, socialist workers, BNP etc have never got anywhere. At least 100,000 UKIP and Tory inclined voters joined Labour and voted for him, knowing they had planted a bomb in the Labour party, which has just gone off, the effect beign to wreck Labour for a generation.

The resignation of these 7 would have been expulsions, had they stayed. Hard Left parties all work the same way - sieze power from the bottom up by infitration, purge all the moderates, take over the Leadership. Its precisely what Militant Tendancy Tried to do in the 80's and Kinnock just managed to stop in time., although too late to get labour in power .

What you have just witnessed is the equivalent of the Beer Hall Putsch of 1933. The start of the purge of the moderates.

The consequences will be Labours vote will be split for 20 years. The SDP tried the same thing (remember them?) but this mob, like the SPD (who were eventually joined with and consumed into the LibDems) will vanish, because the voters dont vote for splinter groups. (UKIP was different, it was never a splinter group).

It seems that I don’t need to ask if anyone runs a rambling club hereabouts. Reading this thread tells me all I need to know.

Given the state of all parties in the UK, it's a pity Screaming Lord Sutch isn't still around as he seems quite sensible in comparison.