Might the 90 day rule change at some point..?

telmel wrote:

Bee wrote:Torrevieja Ayuntamiento gives a €400 "paguita" each year to pensioners who get a pension no greater than 1.5 times the IPREM which is €600 per month in 2023 so a pension not greater than €10,800. You must be on the Padrón for 2 years. The Ayuntamiento asks for applications each April
https://torrevieja.es/es/noticias/2023- ... rcera-edad

Bee

Mac3blade wrote:I’m horrified by the attitude of some fellow members. Sour grapes comes to mind.
It has long been my opinion that Spain was never going to implement the 90 day rule. However, once this electronic system is put in place, they’ll be obliged to implement the rule. It’s sad to hear expats become so bitter. Those of us who have 2 homes have to pay a lot of money for the privilege. There are fewer and fewer English speaking people coming to our area. It’s all Russian, Ukrainian, Belgian and Scandinavian. Yes, older Brits still spend the winter months in Benidorm but fewer and fewer are coming to our areas.
The world is made up with super rich people who don’t know what they are worth. They are the privileged wealthy folk who still have to deal with health problems and family difficulties, the same as the rest of us. I couldn’t care less about their wealth and you should t either.
My Angry, I’m sure you’ll be happy enough to take your pension or anything else you are entitled to from the U.K. How would you feel if we ( non residents) hoped that thus would be withdrawn as you have chosen to live in a different country. I’ll bet you’d be very ANGRY and rightly so too. Live and let live. You are living the dream while we are at home getting on with our lives.
Negative thoughts are very bad for the human psyche Put those rotten thoughts out of your mind and concentrate on being happy. You chose to move to Spain to live and I have no doubt that you are very happy with your life. I don’t want to live in Spain. I love my home and my family nearby. I equally love the time I spend in Spain but don’t begrudge you and others who have taken the giant step to live your lives elsewhere and waken up everyday to be met by blue skies and sunshine.
My heart goes out to those people who can’t stay for the whole winter anymore and I’d like to see Spain moving the goal poles too.

marcliff wrote:

Gustav wrote:Yes! people don't realize that spanish uk expat pensioner residents don't get the increases or the winter fuel payments altho it is cold in spain at nights and early mornings

Spanish uk expat pensioners? Do you mean UK pensioners living in Spain?
We do get the annual increases, same as everyone in the EU does and any other country that has a dual agreement with UK.

WFA? No, we don't get it but we do get the Spanish assistance such as we've had over the last couple of years. Reduced IVA on electricity and gas, the reduction in petrol prices, the cap on gas charges known as the Iberian exemption.

My daughter in UK has had the heating on during the day since October and now has to keep it on all night. In UK, my wife was a virtual prisoner in the house due to walking with a cane and the roads covered in ice for some two months of the year. Then the early morning bits scraping the ice off the car.

When we get to temperatures going down below zero for a long time or knocking the icicles off the roof then maybe we'd have a case for the WFA. As it is, a very short time when it gets cold in the evenings and early mornings but being able to sunbathe during the day for about 5 weeks does not justify it. 90% of British expats live within 15 miles of the coast and, apart from one year about 4 or 5 years ago, never see snow except up on the mountains. Plus my annual fuel bill has been about 700 euro (about 630 quid) for the last year. My daughter is almost 2,000 quid and she doesn't get any help with the bills as she's not a pensioner.

Gustav wrote:

marcliff wrote:

Gustav wrote:Yes! people don't realize that spanish uk expat pensioner residents don't get the increases or the winter fuel payments altho it is cold in spain at nights and early mornings

Spanish uk expat pensioners? Do you mean UK pensioners living in Spain?
We do get the annual increases, same as everyone in the EU does and any other country that has a dual agreement with UK.

WFA? No, we don't get it but we do get the Spanish assistance such as we've had over the last couple of years. Reduced IVA on electricity and gas, the reduction in petrol prices, the cap on gas charges known as the Iberian exemption.

My daughter in UK has had the heating on during the day since October and now has to keep it on all night. In UK, my wife was a virtual prisoner in the house due to walking with a cane and the roads covered in ice for some two months of the year. Then the early morning bits scraping the ice off the car.

When we get to temperatures going down below zero for a long time or knocking the icicles off the roof then maybe we'd have a case for the WFA. As it is, a very short time when it gets cold in the evenings and early mornings but being able to sunbathe during the day for about 5 weeks does not justify it. 90% of British expats live within 15 miles of the coast and, apart from one year about 4 or 5 years ago, never see snow except up on the mountains. Plus my annual fuel bill has been about 700 euro (about 630 quid) for the last year. My daughter is almost 2,000 quid and she doesn't get any help with the bills as she's not a pensioner.

Yes there was some relief in the UK for all electric & Gas consumers , not sure of the amount£300 rings a bell,
Your daughter must like the heating on to raise a bill of 2k, 2 adults 2 children my daughters bill in the UK, electric lighting, gas heating and hot water £1200pa,insted of putting a sweater on some just turn the heating up

2Sheds wrote:[

No I'ts not going to happen. However I find the attitude of some of those who have residencia (some on this forum) frankly pathetic.
Once in the club they seem to develop an anti British stance on any discussion whilst acting somewhat superior to non residents.
The reason the 90 day rule will stay is purely political. Strange how the momentum of enforcement has gained traction since the UK left the EU. As a non resident I can honestly say that the rule hasn't affected me because I always stayed within the 90 days.
In a fairer world I think there should be more flexibility for those non residents with property, instead of being treated as mere holiday tourists. But of course such a thing would spark fury among the elitist residents.
If someone can explain how Spain gains from this rule I'm all ears.

Mac3blade wrote:For Years, Spain turned a blind eye when people overstayed. Our Swedish neighbour stayed for 9 months and returned home for the summer. To all you doubters, watch and you’ll see. It won’t affect us as we are Irish passport holders as well as British so we are blessed to have the best of both worlds. I’m convinced that the 90/180 day rule will be altered in Spain and Brits will be able to enjoy their winters in Spain. It’s just a matter of time. Ask yourself why France implements the rule rigorously whilst Spain doesn’t. The Spanish government welcome the Brits. They’ve been coming to their shores for years.