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Redwoodsman wrote:' Alone, those that really hated the EU couldn’t, they needed an army. The Mail, The Times, Express etc., are owned by those that too wanted change and their readership was to be that ?(militia)? '


Very similar then to the way that Jeremy was similarly robbed at the last General Election by the same conspiracy
- and the way that the BBC ganged up with them - Shocking.

But surely, the BBC can’t have ganged up on both Jezza AND, the Tories.

Perhaps they're behaving like independent investigative journalists after all?

- you are quite right Glassfull, it really was all fair and above-board (on the same basis as all UK elections are, naturally)

- I do not think that there was a newspaper army/militia or that anyone ganged up or conspired against the EU
- in the EU Referendum several newspapers The Telegraph, The Mail & The Express took one editorial line - The Guardian, The Independent etc took the other
- the BBC was naturally fair, independent, unbiased & neutral - you really think so?
- Like most I had expected a "stay" vote (expecting a narrow three to five per cent "stay" margin).

Referendum night was entertaining to watch on the BBC - as the results came through & the horror surfaced - you could almost pick up the thoughts -
- "Oh God, didn't that mass of idiots out there understand our guidance & what we were telling them - were our comments & jokes above their intellectual capacity to understand properly?"
- the Channel 4 "party night" was even better entertainment _ sack cloth, ashes, spitting anger & tears by 4 a.m. (I recorded it)

- in the case of the General Election I believe that the BBC really attempted to be neutral - although it broke certain presenters little hearts.
- You still heard the traditional chant afterwards - "We didn't really lose - it was a massive Right-wing press conspiracy - the poor voters did not see through it - if only they had truly understood, we couldn't lose"

Overall I am just very wary of some of the lines that you had set out - e.g. "EU prevented UK business from doing what it liked" - "UK Press - War of attrition" - "those with no opinion began developing warped opinions" - I am not saying that you do not believe them or you are being anything but totally honest in putting them forward.
- The similarity between some of the points made by the minority vote side in each case (Referendum & General Election) interested me.

For me, personally, a "stay" vote would have been far more convenient - I continue to believe that Referenda are often a flawed, dangerous and disruptive process.