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Previously had residential 2003-2005

Previously had residential 2003-2005

Postby apricorncup17 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:54 am

After previously living in Torrevieja, I know we had residencia, but when we left in 2005, I have a vague recollection of going into the Ayuntamiento to tell them we were leaving. Who would I need to check with to see if we are still in receipt of residencia and if we no longer have it, can we apply again and what’s the best process to do this? Can it be done online from the UK? Many thanks.
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Re: Previously had residential 2003-2005

Postby El Tel » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:50 pm

I think you’ll find you have lost it! You can apply again if you are now residing in Spain?
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Re: Previously had residential 2003-2005

Postby apricorncup17 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:36 pm

Not currently, no
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Re: Previously had residential 2003-2005

Postby marcliff » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:06 pm

You cannot apply for residency from UK online. You have to make an appointment, which you can do online, to attend a National Police station or a foreigner's office in the area you reside in.
Currently, you need an NIE which you will still have from your previous time here. You need to show healthcare provisions, either a private health care policy or state provide healthcare if you are over pensionable age.
You will also need to show sufficient funds to support yourself which is currently an income of around €800 a month each.
The only place you can apply for residency at the moment, due to Brexit, is at Alicante by going through the special appointments system for UK citizens (I'm assuming you are from UK, if Irish or another EU country then that won't apply).

I believe Alicante is also asking for continued proof of income by showing you have had the monthly amount paid into a Spanish bank for the last 3 months at least.

You only have until the end of this year to do this if you are from UK. The rules will probably change in 2021 when the transition period is over and you may need private healthcare and a much larger income (around 30,000 euro a year) but that hasn't yet been decided.

Your previous residency will definitely have lapsed as you have not been resident here for that length of time nor paid any taxes to the Spanish system. If it were still valid you could, possibly, find yourself liable to pay back taxes for the past 15 years which I'm sure you don't want. You cannot be resident in two countries at the same time and it is the one you spend most of your time (more than 6 months each year) in that you are resident of.

You can download the residency application form (EX18) from many websites but you have to attend the police station in person. You cannot apply for residency unless you intend to live in Spain for over 3 months (which simply allows you to extend your stay from 3 months up to 6 months) and fiscal (tax paying) residency if you intend to live here for more than 6 months every year.

Again, lots may change after the end of this year.
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Re: Previously had residential 2003-2005

Postby apricorncup17 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:16 pm

Thanks, very helpful
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Re: Previously had residential 2003-2005

Postby blingle » Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:06 am

marcliff wrote: The rules will probably change in 2021 when the transition period is over and you may need private healthcare and a much larger income (around 30,000 euro a year) but that hasn't yet been decided.


Hi marcliff

The quote there is interesting. What about those do intend to reside in Spain with no "income" as such? I.e. no job; not old enough to claim any pension; sufficient and significant savings?
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Re: Previously had residential 2003-2005

Postby marcliff » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:24 pm

Anyone with no income, no job, no pension, no savings or anything like that would be rather foolish to up sticks and move to another country where there are no benefits, no healthcare, no social housing and no free handouts from the state wouldn't you say?
If they have lots of savings and investments that bring in the income of 30k (ish) then they would meet the criteria as that would count as income. So some retiring premier league footballer or an ex CEO with a massive golden goodbye would be alright, I suppose.
For those of us in the real world, however, no chance.
Bit like anyone from the EU going to live in UK with an income of less than £23,000 (as has been announced) would also have no chance.

And why would 2021 (after the transition period) make any difference? You can't even do that now if you don't have sufficient funds and healthcare, albeit the access to funds is a lot lower than it is for non-EU citizens.
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Re: Previously had residential 2003-2005

Postby blingle » Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:37 pm

Hi. Not sure my question was clear!

My other half and I are in our early 40s, and have savings/assets which would cover us for £30000 (€36000) per year until we reach 100ish, if we're lucky enough to do so. My two sons are currently in college, and will be off to University next year, when we plan to emigrate.

We already own a home in Spain.

So I guess what you're saying is that although WE have those savings, only one of us would be able to gain residencia?

Where's the information on this? I've had a quick Google session, and I can see mention of 'savings of €30000', but nothing about 'savings of €30000 per year', as you mentioned.
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Re: Previously had residential 2003-2005

Postby marcliff » Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:58 pm

Firstly, I haven't mentioned 30,000 each. There is a laid down amount for non-EU income but it is 30k (about that) for the main provider and then a certain amount for your spouse and dependent children.

Just found the income requirements and the 30k was in dollars (it was for an American applying) and the official figures in euros are €25,560 annually plus €6,390 for each additional family member.

Secondly, none of us know what the amount is going to be until an agreement is hammered out and I did say it hadn't been decided. If we are treated as a 3rd country (non-EU) then it would make sense that those figures will be used but we will have to wait and see

The income does not need to be from work or pensions. It can be from savings, investments, property and so on.
If you already have property in Spain and and sufficient savings to last 5 years at those rates (you have to update non-EU residency after 2 years up to 5 years and prove you still have access to that income and that you have resided in Spain for more than 183 days per year) then you will have no problem. You will need full medical insurance to cover you at the same level as provided by the NHS. Once you have completed 5 years residency then you become a permanent resident.

Sorry, your reply seemed as if someone wanted to move here with no assets or income whatsoever. This is not your situation.
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Re: Previously had residential 2003-2005

Postby blingle » Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:17 pm

Thanks marcliff. That sounds much better!

I'd assumed that as you were replying to an individual, you meant €30000 each. Now that WOULD be a struggle!
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