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hi

Will you have these rules after leaving EU as we have?
We cannot be out of Norway more than 6 month a year before we loose our health/ social services.
To be out more than 6 month we have to emigrate - sort of....
We pay even more to EU now than we would if we where in the community.
We cannot drive our Spanish car in Norway, have to leave it in Sweden.
Cannot work in another country without some sort of work permit.
We have to allow everybody cross our border and take positions and be part of te social service.

My guess is that your parliament does not have balls to go all the way.

Good luck

kjellv wrote:hi

Will you have these rules after leaving EU as we have?
We cannot be out of Norway more than 6 month a year before we loose our health/ social services.
To be out more than 6 month we have to emigrate - sort of....
We pay even more to EU now than we would if we where in the community.
We cannot drive our Spanish car in Norway, have to leave it in Sweden.
Cannot work in another country without some sort of work permit.
We have to allow everybody cross our border and take positions and be part of te social service.

My guess is that your parliament does not have balls to go all the way.

Good luck

Interesting points! If only the powers that be had had the sense to explain things like this in the UK before the vote!!!! Although we still don't know how things will actually go with the negotiations for Brexit even though Brexit will happen eventually. I do hope we get a better deal than Norway.



Jan

It is going to be interesting that is for sure..

The UK want to be in the Single Market...

The EU say no Single Market unless we have open borders..

The UK say definitely no open borders

Open borders was one of the main reasons people voted to leave the EU..[that and the 350 million a week to the NHS]

Now what?

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My guess is that your parliament does not have balls to go all the way.

You may well be right ! Certainly did catch many politicians unaware in the UK & no plan was in place to deal with this. A mess.

UK imports 100 billion from the EU, more than it exports (or so they say) - so it is in everyone's interest to keep business moving forwards.

4% of Spains GDP - is by the English - property, spending money whilst living in Spain - this is too much for Spain to lose, so are likely to accept a specific work / movement treaty with the UK - to keep employment and residency options open - otherwise will have an impact on Spain, which they can ill afford.

I think the issue is both with the UK (or the way the Brexit was portrayed in the media), but also the EU. There is an issue with immigration, not just in UK, but Germany too & lots of issues in Hungary refusing Muslims, Slovakia arguing over borders too & they are not alone. A change is needed for all the EU, not just the UK, to better organise this and far more security with new immigrants to minimise risk of terrorism. It is about time the EU listened to their member states and not the other way around.

If the EU does not change policies to ones that are more acceptable to all countries, it is likely that others may follow the UK and then this will lead to the fall of the EU.

I believe the EU will change some major rules, not for the UK, but for all 27 members - then this may appease many of the issues (many....well the borders, as that is what most voted out on) & then of they do this, the UK can wiggle around for a better deal, or convince the public, that they have what 'they asked for' and can now remain a member?

I think Norway will be happy to deal with the UK as 25% of their exports head in that direction...UK & Norway are different animals. Norway GDP 0.4 trillion. UK 2849 trillion. So complex to negotiate the required level of trade and finance, more complex than anything that has gone before it.

There's some daft figure like 25,000 separate potential trade deals, horribly complex and will take years. Better the EU backs down for all & the UK does some kind of U turn....without it being perceived as one.. Politicians are good at doing that. Little else...

hanks Paul...

What you have explained is that no one has any idea what will happen... we can all think of ..

...."what should" happen,
"what is likely to happen"
what we THINK will happen"..
what " I believe will happen"..

No one has a Scooby do...

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Exactly its a big black hole. Still never mind we are in the safe hands of Boris, Davies and Fox

If you live outside the UK for 6 months you are no longer entitled to free NHS care - I worked in the NHS for over 20 years and one of my areas of work was Reciprocal Healthcare arrangements around the world not just for the small number of countries in the EU so Brexit will not affect this. There are several countries without these arrangements and their citizens need to pay for UK healthcare either privately or via insurance.


If you live outside of the UK for 6 months then technically you have to register for residency in the country you are staying in (Spain included).

Arrangements for Visas to work in the UK / Europe have to be in place for all citizens of countries outside of the EU so the process is already in place.

Oh and personal tax arrangements are also in place so Brexit won't affect these either.

Many of the topics raised on this forum were not discussed in the run up to the exit referendum and that is because there are already existing arrangements with have nothing to do with Brexit and therefore won't be affected.

Oh and in regard to trade - the UK trades with countries all around the world so negotiating arrangements with the relatively few countries in the EU is not the be all and end all, many of the EU countries rely heavily on their trade with the UK so will be anti any penalties against the UK (you only have to think of German cars and French wines and cheeses). Also the UK have received offers of help from international negotiation teams, who have multiple years of expertise, to assist with talks with the EU so at least we have support from else where in the world.

One of the reasons that it is unclear what will happen once the UK finally leaves the EU is that the European Commission refused to consider negotiations until the result of the referendum was known.


Finally you have to remember that Jersey, etc have never been part of the EU and they don't have any problems.

Should be quick to negotiate out of without noticing then. So just what would the Non EU reciprocal health agreement with Spain look like? How does it work now between the UK and USA or NZ.

LSpring40 wrote:If you live outside the UK for 6 months you are no longer entitled to free NHS care - I worked in the NHS for over 20 years and one of my areas of work was Reciprocal Healthcare arrangements around the world not just for the small number of countries in the EU so Brexit will not affect this. There are several countries without these arrangements and their citizens need to pay for UK healthcare either privately or via insurance.

One part of the rules changed last year. Expat pensioners who live in Spain are now entitled to use the NHS in UK.
(From NHS England site)
UK state pensioners who live elsewhere in the EEA will now have the same rights to NHS care as people who live in England. This applies to all pensioners who receive a UK state retirement pension and registered for healthcare in Europe with an S1 form.

Linkwater US visitors have to have insurance, NZ are members of the Commonwealth and have arrangments. All European countries have arrangements for healthcare with the UK. These are usually for emergencies only so I suppose the EHIC will revert to the E111 or something similar once the UK is out.
Marcliffe thanks for the up date