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Hi All

Not that I condone illegal or bad driving anywhere for a moment, just saw this on The Times website and thought it worth posting given the timing of this new EU measure.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/ ... -r9gflggs9

Regards
Vera and Geoff

I'm absolutely gobsmacked to think that this is the first time it's been realised that it has always been one way regarding the EU and the UK. The greedy European b*&^"%ds are quite happy to hold their hands out for UK contributions, but will not assist the UK in any shape or form. I appreciate that a lot of you guys are worried about the effect of Brexit, but not half as worried as the likes of France and Germany, 2 countries who seem to have done extremely well out of the EU.

manxmunk wrote:I'm absolutely gobsmacked to think that this is the first time it's been realised that it has always been one way regarding the EU and the UK. The greedy European b*&^"%ds are quite happy to hold their hands out for UK contributions, but will not assist the UK in any shape or form. I appreciate that a lot of you guys are worried about the effect of Brexit, but not half as worried as the likes of France and Germany, 2 countries who seem to have done extremely well out of the EU.

Little bit of an over reaction there, I think. Germany will not be affected by this and nor will Spain. In those countries, just like UK, the driver is liable for the fine and not the owner.
The only ones where the owner is liable are France, Belgium, Netherlands and Hungary. In all other countries it is the driver.
UK has imposed roadside fines on foreign cars since 2005. Foreign drivers of hire cars are fined through the hire company who take the fine from the credit card.
Don't believe all the sensational press.

manxmunk wrote:I'm absolutely gobsmacked to think that this is the first time it's been realised that it has always been one way regarding the EU and the UK. The greedy European b*&^"%ds are quite happy to hold their hands out for UK contributions, but will not assist the UK in any shape or form. I appreciate that a lot of you guys are worried about the effect of Brexit, but not half as worried as the likes of France and Germany, 2 countries who seem to have done extremely well out of the EU.

I think that you should read that article agin. It says that the UK Government have chosen not pursue foreign drivers.

From a practical point of view, this means that drivers of non Spanish registered cards who are caught speeding or using reserved lanes in Spain can expect a fine through the post to the registered address of the vehicle.
My understanding is that at the moment, if you're stopped for speeding by the Spanish police you'll get an on the spot fine if you're in a UK registered car. If you don't have the cash to pay the fine you'll be escorted to an ATM and if you still can't get the cash then your car will be impounded. If you're driving a Spanish registered car you'll get a ticket sent to the address where the car is registered.

If you get caught by a gatso speed camera in Spain then the UK government currently has no legal obligation to provide the details of the owner of the vehicle and you could argue that the fine is not enforceable - unless you return to Spain in the same vehicle of course.
From May we need to have passed a UK law that mandates the sharing of vehicle ownership details with other EU countries, and presumably makes the collection of those fines enforceable.

In theory, once this system is in place the Spanish police could drop the on the spot fines for EU registered vehicles, but I doubt that will happen.

This link has more info on the EU directive behind the stories that are in the press at the moment:
http://etsc.eu/faq-eu-cross-border-enforcement-directive/

What isn't mentioned in the directive or any of the news articles I've seen is what happens regarding points on your licence as a result of the offences covered by the directive.

Pete.

Of course If you don't break the speed limit it really doesn't matter

The Times, the Sun,The Mail & Express all pro brexit centre right owned papers, so be careful what you believe. It may be true, but it may be just pro Brexit propaganda again. You cannot believe everything in the newspapers particularly now. There is no doubt that globalisation digital information is spreading and Spain does seem to be a few years behind the UK in some things. I mean its amazing what happens in the UK now regarding registering a death and what that communicates digitally to a number of government departments.

And not just within the UK...

For work I recently applied for, got a visa and visited Russia.

Now I need a USA visa again for work..... guess what they (the USA) knew about my trip to Russia.

I'd heard stories about the passport details you give to the likes of BA being shared with the CIA but now well....... may be there are not just stories and George Orwell was right after all

Geoff

avoncliffe wrote:And not just within the UK...

For work I recently applied for, got a visa and visited Russia.

Now I need a USA visa again for work..... guess what they (the USA) knew about my trip to Russia.

I'd heard stories about the passport details you give to the likes of BA being shared with the CIA but now well....... may be there are not just stories and George Orwell was right after all

Geoff

Erm , I think those details would be shared with the immigration service, not the CIA.

the CIA have access to all immigration information and more than you think,
if a uk reg vehicle is insured in spain the details of said vehicle are sent to DVLA,for road licence details when it comes to applying for,i was told this buy my insurer.