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Scottish independance
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Re: Scottish independance
by valenciasman » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:58 pm
I do not see the connection. I was referring to the comment that we are all in favor of Scottish independence.
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Re: Scottish independance
by donaduo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:54 pm
The Highlands and Islands are non too keen on Scottish independence, so it's quite possible that they may well seek independence from Scotland, after all, the oil is their's!
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Re: Scottish independance
by Reginaldo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:12 pm
I,ve had enough of this....
Ask the Welsh, English and Northern Ireland if they want Scotland in The UK!!
Fed up with their whining...Goodbye and good luck ,Scotland...you are gonna need it big time!!
Ask the Welsh, English and Northern Ireland if they want Scotland in The UK!!
Fed up with their whining...Goodbye and good luck ,Scotland...you are gonna need it big time!!
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Re: Scottish independance
by florimondo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:17 pm
valenciasman wrote:I do not see the connection. I was referring to the comment that we are all in favor of Scottish independence.
Well I have never said that we are all in favour of Scottish independence, and I certainly dont want it. My original post I stated quite clearly that I was in favour of the UK, I also stated that I didnt think that Scotland could survive outside the union and the EU, we seem to be at cross purposes here.......
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Re: Scottish independance
by florimondo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:20 pm
donaduo wrote:The Highlands and Islands are non too keen on Scottish independence, so it's quite possible that they may well seek independence from Scotland, after all, the oil is their's!
I thin kthat the point is that the SNP have asked for a referendum, the outcome will be anyone's guess...my guess is that it will be the same as the last one...remain in the union I certainly hope so...
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Re: Scottish independance
by Brian » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:40 pm
Unfortunately you don't seem to realise the independence vote is not an anti English vote, it is a vote for self determination. Scotland is governed by a Tory government that would never be voted in, in Scotland. An independent Scotland as part of the ECC is a more attractive option.
If that did not work, Scotland could choose to be an independent nation with self determination.
I don't understand why England are so determined to hold onto a union forged by subjugation.
If that did not work, Scotland could choose to be an independent nation with self determination.
I don't understand why England are so determined to hold onto a union forged by subjugation.
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Re: Scottish independance
by donaduo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:53 pm
Subjugation?
My reading of history tells me that Scotland, in its envy of other European nation's Empires, sought to undertake its own Empire building in South America. The enterprise failed and left Scotland bankrupt, the Union was created following the Scots approach to Westminster.
The romanticised history that some Scots embrace is, sadly, wrong.
My reading of history tells me that Scotland, in its envy of other European nation's Empires, sought to undertake its own Empire building in South America. The enterprise failed and left Scotland bankrupt, the Union was created following the Scots approach to Westminster.
The romanticised history that some Scots embrace is, sadly, wrong.
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Re: Scottish independance
by Brian » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:06 pm
Yes, that would be the Darien project brought about by the monopoly of the East Indaia company. That was founded for the benefit of the ruling English class as still prevails
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Re: Scottish independance
by donaduo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:53 pm
Aye, the Darien project, which conflicted with The East India Company's interests as well as Spain's. The East India Company used its influence with foreign investors in the project to withdraw. Coupled with this, war with Spain was a possibility if the Darien project was pursued.
The Scottish landed aristocracy and mercants, the same people who wanted to embark on the project, now approached London to seek to have their debts erased and seek the Union.
So you see, it wasn't greedy Englishman forcing Scots into a Union but, a few misguided Scots who, by their actions, accepted the Union through their folly.
The Scottish landed aristocracy and mercants, the same people who wanted to embark on the project, now approached London to seek to have their debts erased and seek the Union.
So you see, it wasn't greedy Englishman forcing Scots into a Union but, a few misguided Scots who, by their actions, accepted the Union through their folly.
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Re: Scottish independance
by florimondo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:45 pm
donaduo wrote:Aye, the Darien project, which conflicted with The East India Company's interests as well as Spain's. The East India Company used its influence with foreign investors in the project to withdraw. Coupled with this, war with Spain was a possibility if the Darien project was pursued.
The Scottish landed aristocracy and mercants, the same people who wanted to embark on the project, now approached London to seek to have their debts erased and seek the Union.
So you see, it wasn't greedy Englishman forcing Scots into a Union but, a few misguided Scots who, by their actions, accepted the Union through their folly.
very interesting I had no idea about that...thank you.
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